Wenn ihr alte Säge aufbereitet...

[Pedder]

[In Antwort auf #141146]
Hallo Volker,

jetzt wo ich das hier lese, fällt mir ein, dass sie das perfekte Übungsstück gewesen wäre.
Na, zu spät. Ich bin gespannt, wie sie sich feilt. Es wird ja die eine oder ander Feile+Stunde brauchen.
(Mit dem Retoother mag ich an solche Sägen nicht ran. Und meine Stanze ist noch nicht einsatzbereit...)

Liebe Grüße
Pedder

[Volker Hennemann]

Hallo Pedder,

schau sie dir an und wenn es Probleme geben sollte, dann melde dich einfach.
Stress machen wir uns mit unserem Hobby bestimmt nicht!

Liebe Grüße
Volker

[Pedder]

Hallo Volker,

wenn der Stahl spröde sein sollte, dann muss ich böse werden,
aber sonst sehe ich keine Probleme, die sich nicht mit Zeit und mehr Feilen in den Griff bekommen ließen.

Liebe Grüße
Pedder

[Stewie Simpson.]

[In Antwort auf #141197]
Hi Klaus.

The No.52 Handsaw is listed in the Wheeler Madden & Clemson 1895 Catalogue. http://www.backsaw.net/forum/index.php?threads/f-constantine-backsaw.137/

regards Stewie;

[Stewie Simpson]

Hi Klaus.

We know that Wheeler, Madden & Clemson was acquired by Disston in 1893.http://www.davistownmuseum.org/bioDisston.htm

We also know that the No. 52 Handsaw was not listed in any of the Wheeler, Madden & Clemson Catalogue's up until 1895. That's 2 years after being acquired by Disston. http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.backsaw.net%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fthreads%2Ff-constantine-backsaw.137%2F

We can assume their must have been some legal agreement by Disston to allow Wheeler, Madden & Clemson to continue operating as a business for a period of at least 2 years after the acquisition date of 1893.

Based on all the above; it could be suggested that the No.52 Handsaw was manufactured from 1893 to post 1895.

What's not clear is how long after 1895 did Wheeler, Madden & Clemson stop manufacturing.

regards Stewie;

[Klaus Kretschmar]

Another thank you, Stewie.

Are you sure that the #52 wasn't listed in a earlier catalog than 1895? We know that the catalog of 1871 didn't list the saw. But what's about the catalogs between 1871 and 1895? My question is based on the fact that the #52 in the 1895 catalog has a little more simple handle shape than the above shown one. The steel plate seems to be shaped less artistic as well. And lastly the 4th screw doesn't run through the steel plate on the 1895 saw. So my guess had been that the OP's saw is rather pre 1895.

Cheers
Klaus

[Stewie Simpson]

Hi Klaus.

There is always the possibility that there may have been another catalogue between 1871 and 1895, but there is no evidence of one.

It is more likely in my opinion that the no.52 was being manufactured well before the release of the 1895 catalogue, but not prior to 1871.

Of great interest to me is the accuracy of 1893 as the date Disston acquired Wheeler, Madden & Clemson. Why would W M & C produce a Catalogue of their merchandise 2 years after being acquired by Disston.

Is it possible that Disston did not acquire W M & C until some time after the release of the 1895 Catalogue.

regards Stewie;

[Klaus Kretschmar]

Now I agree, Stewie.

There's indeed at least the possibility that the OP's saw is older than 1895 but certainly not older than 1872.
I'm with you to doubt, that WM&C was bought out by Disston in 1893. Disston's policy was rather clearly to let the brand die after having acquired a competitor.

Regards
Klaus

[Klaus Kretschmar]

[In Antwort auf #141134]
Hallo Volker,

nach der Diskussion mit Stewie und hierwegen erfolgter weiterer Recherche denke ich, dass Deine Säge ziemlich selten ist. Ich habe im Netz keine gefunden, die eine an das Daumenloch angepasste Metallplatte hat wie Deine. Auch bin ich ziemlich sicher, dass sie zwischen 1872 und 1894 hergestellt wurde. Vielleicht solltest Du sie mal in einem amerikanischen Forum zeigen. Dort gibt es einige Experten.

Viele Grüße
Klaus

[Stewie Simpson]

Hi Klaus.

On another forum site I posted a request for additional information on W M & C, and received this feedback.

Wheeler Madden & Clemson saws continued to be marketed by "The National Saw Company" (along with the saws of the other partners; Richardson Bros, Harvey W Peace Co, Woodrough & Mcparlin) for some years after ownership passed to Disston.
Schaffer's book "Hand Saw Makers of North America" lists operating dates for the National Saw Co as 1890-1906.
This seems to indicate that the WMC no.52 might possibly have been sold up til 1906
A few National Saw Co saws continued to be sold through Disston after 1906 #e.g. the Harvey Peace P26 saw, which is in the 1918 Disston catalog# although I haven't seen the WMC no.52 in any Disston catalogs.

regards Stewie;